This is a ridiculous thing to be annoyed by, but I am not able to deal with seeing certain types of posts from...
This is a ridiculous thing to be annoyed by, but I am not able to deal with seeing certain types of posts from someone who has other things they write that I like to read. They are obviously not included in this post, please respect that.
I am very fond of reason and logic and facts, if you can find them and they bear a certain amount of testing and scrutiny. However, not to the exclusion of any awareness of context and sensitivity. Rhetoric is not a bludgeon that will magically remove the messy parts of thought and life, and it might be inconvenient, but feelings are a biologically wired in thing. Not to mention that this person is factually incorrect about their stated reasons for objecting to something.
Here's a link if you want some fun background info: http://www.bustle.com/articles/184981-donald-trump-jr-ripped-off-this-feminist-mm-meme-from-2014
A) There was a great deal of criticism and arguing about the original m&m misogyny yesallwomen meme. Which was part of the larger response to the Isla Vista killings in or near Santa Barbara. So he's wrong about that.
B) Can you prove that the exact same people ignored or supported the m&m meme and criticized the skittles meme? Because otherwise one would be hard pressed to support claims of double standards or hypocrisy.
C) If truth is an impediment, then you are kind of supporting your own argument by example, here, not proving yourself more stringent and thoughtful. Your information and its presentation are inaccurate.
D) As far as people are poison candy is concerned, perhaps this is where the whole context thing needs to come into play.
Who posted the meme:
For the m&ms, I'm not sure I can track back to a definitive owner, but have been unable to find anything that indicates they were a person associated with a major organization that had potential direct impact on policy.
versus
Trump Jr. is a recognized surrogate for his father's campaign for Potus.
Why they posted the meme:
Complicated? A likely mentally unwell man shoots and kills people. He states that this is because women don't like him and he's jealous of men who seem to get sexual attention from women that he doesn't get. In an atmosphere that includes hashtag notallmen and ongoing issues with sexism and violence.
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A (very) privileged white man in the immediate aftermath of an act of terror suggests that all victims of a vicious and lengthy civil war should be left to suffer because some of them are probably terrorists. P.S. Political correctness is un-American, so if you support anything that can be criticized as politically correct, you are un-American. I presume this means we should all brush up on our Polish jokes, and some classic blackface routines, as well as all those jokes about ugly women who don't put out.
Are both memes generalizing? Yep. Is it belittling to refer to human beings as candy? Yep. One of them belittles men who engage in sexism/misogyny/violence against women. One of them belittles refugees of a terrible war. See any difference here? Perpetrators? Victims?
So, yeah, it's a meme, a (literary?) form that is not known for its academic standards. If you are going to criticize the people critiquing the meme, though, you might want to consider your own argument a little bit first. Then again, I would probably be considered a non-rigorous, politically correct, un-American hypocrite. Ymmv.
http://www.bustle.com/articles/184981-donald-trump-jr-ripped-off-this-feminist-mm-meme-from-2014
I am very fond of reason and logic and facts, if you can find them and they bear a certain amount of testing and scrutiny. However, not to the exclusion of any awareness of context and sensitivity. Rhetoric is not a bludgeon that will magically remove the messy parts of thought and life, and it might be inconvenient, but feelings are a biologically wired in thing. Not to mention that this person is factually incorrect about their stated reasons for objecting to something.
Here's a link if you want some fun background info: http://www.bustle.com/articles/184981-donald-trump-jr-ripped-off-this-feminist-mm-meme-from-2014
A) There was a great deal of criticism and arguing about the original m&m misogyny yesallwomen meme. Which was part of the larger response to the Isla Vista killings in or near Santa Barbara. So he's wrong about that.
B) Can you prove that the exact same people ignored or supported the m&m meme and criticized the skittles meme? Because otherwise one would be hard pressed to support claims of double standards or hypocrisy.
C) If truth is an impediment, then you are kind of supporting your own argument by example, here, not proving yourself more stringent and thoughtful. Your information and its presentation are inaccurate.
D) As far as people are poison candy is concerned, perhaps this is where the whole context thing needs to come into play.
Who posted the meme:
For the m&ms, I'm not sure I can track back to a definitive owner, but have been unable to find anything that indicates they were a person associated with a major organization that had potential direct impact on policy.
versus
Trump Jr. is a recognized surrogate for his father's campaign for Potus.
Why they posted the meme:
Complicated? A likely mentally unwell man shoots and kills people. He states that this is because women don't like him and he's jealous of men who seem to get sexual attention from women that he doesn't get. In an atmosphere that includes hashtag notallmen and ongoing issues with sexism and violence.
versus
A (very) privileged white man in the immediate aftermath of an act of terror suggests that all victims of a vicious and lengthy civil war should be left to suffer because some of them are probably terrorists. P.S. Political correctness is un-American, so if you support anything that can be criticized as politically correct, you are un-American. I presume this means we should all brush up on our Polish jokes, and some classic blackface routines, as well as all those jokes about ugly women who don't put out.
Are both memes generalizing? Yep. Is it belittling to refer to human beings as candy? Yep. One of them belittles men who engage in sexism/misogyny/violence against women. One of them belittles refugees of a terrible war. See any difference here? Perpetrators? Victims?
So, yeah, it's a meme, a (literary?) form that is not known for its academic standards. If you are going to criticize the people critiquing the meme, though, you might want to consider your own argument a little bit first. Then again, I would probably be considered a non-rigorous, politically correct, un-American hypocrite. Ymmv.
http://www.bustle.com/articles/184981-donald-trump-jr-ripped-off-this-feminist-mm-meme-from-2014
If I had a bowl of skittles and I told you that just three of them would have a grandchild who would grow up to be his generation's Hitler — would you grab a handful?
ReplyDeleteThat's the Drumpf refugee crisis in a nutshell.
The origin I've seen goes back farther and is quite a bit darker and as a result that feminist version kind of skeeves me out a bit: theintercept.com - Nazi Who Originated Donald Trump Jr.’s Skittles Analogy Was Hanged at Nuremberg
ReplyDeleteAs a small detail that illustrates the larger monstrosity, I'd offer: The switch from M&Ms to Skittles is specifically a fuck you to Trayvon Martin.
Alex Goddard D-:
ReplyDeleteThanks for the info, Alex Goddard. It makes this whole thing even more offensive and, frankly, indefensible.
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